reVoteWithReason from fugazi.eth

Artists ≠ curators. You cant be a curator and pick your own art imo.
Also would’ve rather seen this as an “open call” via prop house or other means to have a community vote for which traits get put into the prop.

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Was on the fence with this one. The separation of proposal and compensation makes me really unconfortable and opens up many questions. However, I know some of the members of the team and I know that there was no angle from them here. So I'm giving a vote of confidence.
In term of gatekeeping I actually fall more in line with 4156 reasoning. These are the guys that stepped up and if they didn't maybe we wouldn't have anything. Let's celebrate the great work that was done. We like the pixels.

I like the new art, the artist, and the initiative taken. Would I have preferred a proposal that was more community-driven? Yes sure, but none was put forth so here we are. My issue is with the price tag. Last year's Nouniversary additions were introduced through a competition, a prize. Different circumstance than we have ourselves in. Personally, I find it hard to justify 88 ETH.

CC0 culture is all about remixing and iterating. I love these new traits, and welcome further proposals to add traits.

We should be constantly iterating on the Nouns traits. There shouldn't be a strict process - if you make a trait you love and want to see it included, put up a prop! Opposition on the basis of the openness of the process presupposes that trait additions are rare. If trait additions are common, openness isn't an issue because anyone can participate at any time. To reduce barriers to participation, we can have a mix of trait events and individually submitted traits, all iterating on different approaches to compensation.

As 4156 mentions, upgrading traits is a competitive advantage for Nouns. And as noun40 mentions, we can and should make the process of adding traits more welcoming and less intimidating. Bring on more traits! Let dozens of trait proposals bloom.

Just like the number of Nouns out in the world, I think it's great that the artwork behind the project - whilst still maintaining the distinct look - also continues to grow and evolve. Good on the team for stepping up to the plate and executing such fun new traits. Very big fan of the beanie, the tiger and that curling stone!

Like others, I also would like to see more open efforts to update the Nouns art, but I do not think that precludes voting for this one.

Often times democracy and great art are at odds. If Nouns succeeds, I suspect it will become common for certain curatorial voices to come to the DAO with a set of heads to add, like this.

I love all of these and am grateful to the artists and curators.

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I am not a fan of the bubble beanie or cotton candy, maybe it is the "stray pixels" trying to emulate a texture.

I love all the other heads submitted and would like to see this come back either sans those 2 or a re-adjustment to the budget or with 2 other options.

I get liking traits is subjective--but that's my opinion.

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disagree with the 'against' reasoning that the process wasn't open enough. like most other things in the nouns ecosystem we are trying to incentivize a marketplace for user-created content, and the goldy team was first-to-market, and for the nouniversary deadline, only-to-market. ultimately i think these submissions should be evaluated on quality of artwork, and price we have to pay for the quality. in this case i think the quality is very high. i think the price is also a little high, but in the absence of any competition, i think it’s good to pay the price to get people excited about competing in the future. i would like to see the compensation tx included in the same proposal as the art submission tx and hope other teams will do this in the future. finally (and imho) the last step of removing the training wheels from the noundry should be the death of the convention that artwork only gets updated once per year and 8 traits at a time. it’s a competitive advantage of nouns that the artwork is upgradable and the metaphor is open enough to support infinite heads, and we should be maximizing this advantage by engaging with artists, famous or anon, in every country, to make the heads collection as vast and high quality as we can. think of this as the nouns version of the chain with the most proof of work. this could be especially important post v3. if many instances of nounsdao have permissionless pools of capital, artists and collectors will be attracted to the instance that accumulates the most cultural capital, and new heads and other traits are an important part of this process

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(noun40 voting via agora)

one of the most consequential props of the year!

first and foremost a huge thanks to the group (amiyoko, facu, goldy, index, krel, and tummlin) that put in the labor of love to make this submission. it's an incredible set of heads and accessories that I feel excited to welcome into the nouns world. also while I too would have felt better if compensation was included in this prop (so that the two outcomes are atomic), the fact that this group was willing to put in all this work while comp being uncertain speaks volumes to their commitment to nouns' pixels to which I feel grateful.

I love the anniversary art update tradition. I think it's fun and to some extent a tradition that can evolve to be really legible and inviting. saying "the art can be updated any time by anyone if it passes gov" while it sounds open and welcoming can have the inverse affect of paralysis to a newcomer. my hope would be for us to continue this anniversary art update tradition (and iterate on the process) while also being open to serendipitous submissions throughout the year (why not both?). as long as the serendipitous submissions are small in scope and is faced with a high bar (which we'll likely maintain) then I feel the two paths of art updates can coexist.

on this prop itself, while I totally see that the submission was more open and community driven this year (basically it seems like the most active and respected pixel artists in the #noundry channel at one point realized that no one else will make the anniversary art submission prop if they don't do it themselves), I do agree with the perspective that the process feels a bit closed / opaque / gated (sorry goldy!). would love to think through how to make the process more legible
and structured while maintaining the same quality and coherence of the outcome.

a potential idea:

• invite heads and accessories to be submitted whenever to a public place (have it be known that if your art gets included on the anniversary art update then you'll likely win X eth in retro funding enforced by tradition)
• invite competition for curation through a mandated PH round 1-2 months ahead of anniversary. the mandated round selects the winning curation and includes a meaningful eth prize to incentivize and compensate for the work involved.
• the winning curation team submits the art update prop to coincide with the anniversary (given the legitimacy through the mandated PH round, it will likely pass).

something like the above might strike a good balance. anyhow, incredible set of pixels this year! thank you all again for this labor of love.

FOR - 28 VOTES

benbodhi | "Some nice traits here. I’d like to see more props like this tbh. Will be interesting to see the subsequent discussions around rewards for traits, if any (discussion or rewards)."

fiveoceans_dev | "Awesome looking fellas"

joshuafisher | "nom nom nouns"

AGAINST - 11 VOTES

brettdrawsstuff | "“For” some of the traits but not all of them. Also would’ve rather seen this as an “open call” via prop house or other means to have a community vote for which traits get put into the prop"

coralorca | "Artists ≠ curators. You cant be a curator and pick your own art imo."

supertightwoody | "As many people have contributed traits in the new Noundry channel, I would rather a more open curation of new art (prop house or voting somehow) rather than a walled garden approach."

ABSTAINS - 5 VOTES

We should be integrating art throughout the year, not just on the Nouniversary. This ability is one of the DAO's superpowers. That being said, thank you to this group of talented artists for carrying forward the torch this year. Vote from Sasquatch on behalf of SharkDAO

we appreciate the work done by the proposers here and would like to see a traditional of adding (and removing) art on the anniversary

While I like the accessories, I wouldn't buy a noun with any of those heads.

But the scariest failure mode for Nouns is that we ossify, become stuffy, and start treating Nouns like a Luke Skywalker action figure that's too special to take out of the package and play with.

Let's do it.

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disagree with the 'against' reasoning that the process wasn't open enough. like most other things in the nouns ecosystem we are trying to incentivize a marketplace for user-created content, and the goldy team was first-to-market, and for the nouniversary deadline, only-to-market. ultimately i think these submissions should be evaluated on quality of artwork, and price we have to pay for the quality. in this case i think the quality is very high. i think the price is also a little high, but in the absence of any competition, i think it’s good to pay the price to get people excited about competing in the future. i would like to see the compensation tx included in the same proposal as the art submission tx and hope other teams will do this in the future. finally (and imho) the last step of removing the training wheels from the noundry should be the death of the convention that artwork only gets updated once per year and 8 traits at a time. it’s a competitive advantage of nouns that the artwork is upgradable and the metaphor is open enough to support infinite heads, and we should be maximizing this advantage by engaging with artists, famous or anon, in every country, to make the heads collection as vast and high quality as we can. think of this as the nouns version of the chain with the most proof of work. this could be especially important post v3. if many instances of nounsdao have permissionless pools of capital, artists and collectors will be attracted to the instance that accumulates the most cultural capital, and new heads and other traits are an important part of this process

supportive of this team/efforts, but would like to see them leverage their nouns experience + creative pixel expertise to try and proliferate this aspect of nouns by casting a wider net to onboard other artists into the process

it is true that anyone can submit their own proposal for art, but the process (or lack thereof) is extremely unwelcoming to new artists in addition to requiring contract upgrades, the unspoken social norms of only adding once a year on 8/8, ect

First reaction against, because in favor of a more open and multi-steps process.

After thinking longer about it, voting FOR :

I commend the team for putting this prop up. The pixels are nounish, and this is coming from talented builders who deeply care and put the most time into it. Without them, we would not be having this discussion.

If the prop passes, great, and we can organize a more open process earlier next year. If it doesn’t, we will try and kick off a Prophouse round on 8/8, and hopefully the best traits from this set can make their come back along with other community submitted traits.

We should encourage the yearly submission of 8 traits (feels like the right frequency and amount to avoid the dilution of the initial collection) and aim at transforming this into a significant and open-to-everyone internet event.

reVoteWithReason from 0x840449

This should have been a community event with open submissions like last year.

Lots of people shared and remixed and discussed each others art this year in ⁠the #noundry channel of the Nouniversary Discord. It was from here that these artists gathered together. https://discord.gg/fkkknQVp.

Submissions are open, anyone can submit art to the DAO, we just happen to be the only ones who have done it so far. That doesn’t make it not “open”. “Last year” was a more closed process than this proposal.

Last year a closed group led by the project's founders chose their favourite traits to submit to the DAO. This year that did not happen. And no attempt was made to create a similar committee.


As has always been the case, anyone can submit a proposal to add art, so 6 members of the community (the creators of this proposal) decided on their own accord to create something of their own and submit it – anyone else could of and can still (and should!) do the same.


reVoteWithReason from 0x5606b4

I appreciate not tying the new artwork to the compensation proposal, but believe that artwork submission and curation should have been an open process with an approved budget beforehand. Too much gatekeeping here.

Anyone can submit their art to the DAO whenever they want to, not only us. The process is entirely open so I can’t understand what you mean by “gatekeeping” here. We purposely submitted as artists instead of trying to build a committee in order to avoid becoming captors.


reVoteWithReason from fugazi.eth

Artists ≠ curators. You cant be a curator and pick your own art imo.
Also would’ve rather seen this as an “open call” via prop house or other means to have a community vote for which traits get put into the prop.

We didn’t “pick” our own art. We created our own art and are now submitting it to you for approval.

Congratulations to Amiyoko, Facu, Index, Krel and Tummlin for creating such an awesome collection of very nounish artwork. It was an honour and pleasure to work with you all, i'm really proud of what we made and I hope you are too. I hope the community continues to be inspired and proactive in participating in this infinite work of art ⌐◨-◨


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v nice aesthetics

gr8 pixels

Reviewing all assets in Figma, it’s clear that the team placed lot of thought, effort, and creativity into these proposed assets. Thank you for showing us a window into the creative process!

While I agree that there is always a case for an open process that involves participation and choice from the greater community (like the first anniversary), I also understand how difficult it can be to iterate on creative surfaces if community participation is the default. I don’t believe that process alone should be the reason to reject this prop. The work is good, they are weird and Nounish, the beluga is stellar, the curling stone made me giggle, I’m FOR this prop 🙌

This should have been a community event with open submissions like last year.

Art looks great. The team stepped up when no one else did, and put a lot of thought and effort into the additions.

vote on behalf owner

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I looked at every single individual image and came to the conclusion that this proposal needs to pass.
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Happy Nouniversary.

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pro pixels (personally)

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me like new art. especially fax machine. beep boop!

nice pixels

I appreciate not tying the new artwork to the compensation proposal, but believe that artwork submission and curation should have been an open process with an approved budget beforehand. Too much gatekeeping here.

Great pixels

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good pixels

great pixels

great pixels
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Artists ≠ curators. You cant be a curator and pick your own art imo.
Also would’ve rather seen this as an “open call” via prop house or other means to have a community vote for which traits get put into the prop.

looks nounish